Nisemonogatari 07

Zyl on February 19, 2012 · in Nisemonogatari

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational siscon!

Summary:

I still resent your comeback about my boobs not even being half the size of Tsubasa-san's! Here's my Scent of a Woman: where's your comeback now!?

Karen refuses to go back when Kiss Man Koyomi catches up with her. Even though she’s still ill from the remaining half of the wreathefire bee poison, she’s sufficiently buzzed to get seriously hot and heavy with her Niichan. But even after raining punches and kicks on him, and destroying white elephant public infrastructure in the process, she’s unable to break his will. Instead it’s Koyomi, ordering Shinobu to stay put, who breaks her with the power of siscon brotherly love: even though he calls the Fire Sisters fakes, he’s never said that they were wrong, acknowledges how they hold fast to their beliefs while living with their own inferiority thus he’s always been proud of them – moreover he’s mad that someone did this to her and he’ll deal with him. Karen finally relents and Koyomi takes additional measures to make sure both will stay at home this time.

Deishu keeps his appointment with Hitagi. Surprisingly, without prompting, he agrees to stop cheating the middle schoolers and to leave town by tomorrow. He also tells Koyomi that the wreathefire bee is a fake oddity; the illness was induced by instant hypnosis and Karen will make a full recovery in less than three days. He takes his leave after learning of Hitagi and Koyomi’s relationship but not before telling her that the man who tried to rape her was knocked down by a car and has died as well as to love her current love without having to hate her old flame (i.e., him) out of loyalty. Having had this talk, Hitagi has her catharsis and moves on by telling Koyomi to “be gentle with her tonight.” In the morning after, the Yuri Fire Sisters charge out of the house, telling (O)Niichan that they’re setting off to track down the remaining charms and to repair the damaged relationships and, this time, he does not try to stop them.

It's really tough being Big Brother to the Fire Sisters

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Snake hair suits Nadeko more... Or Akiha Tohno

It’s hard to disagree with Nazarielle’s observation was that it was “a bit too easy” – right from the start, Deishu folded without a fight and gave in to the couple’s main demands. The grist in the mill is, of course, in the word “seemed” as Naz probably felt the same undercurrents as me – nothing is what it seems when you’re dealing with the consummate fake and conman. I argue that Hitagi and Koyomi did win decisively but Deishu did not lose and that the two do not contradict and both are, in fact,  necessary for each other to come to pass.

In my mind, Hitagi and Koyomi won the encounter when two conditions were fulfilled: the first (necessary) condition was that Hitagi was able to contact Deishu and to get him to meet her in person; the second (sufficient) condition was that Koyomi was able to persuade Hitagi to let him ride shotgun. We know from Karen’s encounter with Deishu that his primary defence is obscurity: the Fist of Justice doesn’t work if it can’t find the Face of Evil to connect to. Hitagi did not lose to herself earlier on when she managed to not destroy his namecard and to actually dial his (unchanged) number. Tsubasa’s abnormal intel had broken through this once but thereafter Deishu said that he had learnt the lesson of not meeting his clients in person where he is at his most vulnerable. Yet he agreed to meet Hitagi in person, showing how AARs don’t always translate into lessons truly learned and practiced. That’s the power of Senjougahara Fascination for you. It is also likely that he felt confident that he could deal with Hitagi alone and to use the foundation of his earlier con to further build on the artifice of her suffering. But he did not reckon on Koyomi coming along. As he pointed out himself, Karen had done everything correctly – except for not bringing others along as there is strength in numbers be it in a fistfight (more fists) or a con (another point of view to call BS). Upon Hitagi and Koyomi’s arrival, Deishu must have immediately recognized that this was one of those near ideal-type situations where, if the opponent did not play their cards wrong, he would not be able to defeat them. So, like Yang Wenli who never fights a fight he’ll definitely lose, he did the sensible thing and folded – but it was not rout or ruin, merely a tactical retreat and loss minimization strategy.

So... you're saying that Niichan won but Deishu didn't lose?

Sounds like a con job to me!

Hitagi and Koyomi won the day and Hitagi got her life back but an important condition for victory is not to over-stretch and lose sight of your original objectives, over-extending beyond your strength, opening yourself up for that devastating counter-attack which overturns your win in this battle, causes you to lose the next and perhaps even the war. Koyomi got what he needed: a way to cure Karen and to stop Deishu, on her behalf, from continuing to cheat middle schoolers. Hitagi also got what she needed: now that she’s in love, she wants to be able to be a normal girl; when he called her “boring” and then delivered the news about her would-be rapist, that was closure for her. I’m sure she wanted a lot more but wisely recognized that Deishu is not going to change, he’s too much of what he is and proud of it to boot and therefore asking for repentance and to ask him turn over a new leaf was too much to ask. So they did not. Deishu did not actually apologize for what happened to Hitagi’s mom; Hitagi recognized that it was pointless to get an insincere apology. She was also able to refuse his offer of getting her father’s money back as it would not return her family to the way it was. And it also avoided the knock-on effect of depriving him of working another con to get the funds, with the attendant indirect responsibility and bad karma. When Hitagi said The Most Cruel Thing In the World, that the kids deserved what they got for allowing themselves to be cheated by Deishu, she was also really talking about herself. But, by accepting her own responsibility and by learning the lesson from being cheated once, she is now able to finally move on. And so the conman loses when he can’t cheat the people he’s talking and has to leave town but he left unscathed, with his head still held high with a farewell freebie and tease, and, hasta la vista baby, he’ll be back. Given his second mention of Suruga (the abandoned Gaen child), I’m sure he must have known her mom and he’ll turn up again if there’s any more supernatural monkey business. I certainly would love to see him up to his old tricks again; he’s certainly got some skills (e.g. being able to sense Shinobu and the other half of the poison in Koyomi’s shadow) and knowledge (the exact chapter reference for the wreathefire bee story) but it looks like his real skill, ironically, is in fake oddities.

Like Naz’s tweet, it’s hard to argue against Kabitzin’s quip about this episode being very talky. I suspect he did not mean it as a compliment but I suppose Nisemonogatari will do so anyway. This is the ~gatari series after all and the witty dialogue is the main reason why I watch it. Ok, that was a lie and attempted con job – a lot of talk is good because they have to put something on the screen to keep our imagination while all the blah blah is going on  that that something is usually fan servicey. Back on the defence, there was a spectacular fight scene in the first segment but it was Koyomi’s words that destroyed Karen’s will to resist any further after he eroded it with his refusal to be beaten down and she then gave him an opening into her heart by starting the argument. In the Deishu segment, Hitagi’s lack of armament was also commented on (the monopoly of the pencil was much discussed over at Scamp’s wrt the previous episode) – from a purely practical point of view, previously when she weighed on 5kg under the influence of her crab, she needed the stationery just to stay stationary in a gust of wind, but since Meme helped her make peace with it and send it along its way, how’s she going to carry the office around anymore? More importantly, was her ability to control her desire to kill him – she no longer simmers like pure darkness and, thus, is no more fun to toy with. When Hitagi said, in response to him teasing her about her being fatter and heavier now, that she won’t allow him to damage the current her which Koyomi loves, these words sealed the deal and it was then that he prepared to leave, moving from standing before/above them and then walking past them just as Hitagi lets go of the past and takes a step to the future; a future that, in operational terms,  where she is able to be able to have sex with Koyomi, something that she still wasn’t able to do when they looked up at that starry night together.

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Fencedude February 19, 2012 at 8:03 am

I think all the Araragi’s got laid that night.

…I think something else happened this episode, but I can’t quite remember…

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Zyl February 19, 2012 at 7:04 pm

Somehow I am not at all enthused by the idea of Yuri Fire Sisters… what’s wrong with me!?

Not such problem with that delicious ending bonus art of Suruga x Hitagi – who was the illustrator? [Add: Hmmm... danbooru is crediting Aoki Ume-sensei]

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Fencedude February 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm

Eh? It was obviously Ume Aoki. WIIIIIIDE faces!

Zyl February 20, 2012 at 3:37 am

I guess I was expecting wider (X-______________-) faces

jingoi February 19, 2012 at 8:55 am

If my sister is going to use such a move on me she better had taken a bath or it’s time to channel inner hulk. Anyone here get to enjoy “Scent of a woman”? I sure haven’t unless going to the restroom after your sister counts.

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Zyl February 19, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Oh I’m sure she was talking about the Al Pacino movie.

If I’m mistaken, then the person you should direct your question to must be Kintaro Oe :3

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Alterego 9 February 19, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Why, oh, why can’t anime ever explicitly state whether or not sex happens?

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Zyl February 19, 2012 at 7:20 pm

Plausible deniability in avoid another Kannagi controversy?

Usually when it is explicitly stated that sex does happen, it tends to be in explicit anime, e.g. Yosuga no Sora etc., that originated from eroge. wrt non-H anime, two cases spring to mind: Nyamo getting drunk after drinking all of Yukari’s alcohol and regaling the Azumanga girls about her experiences in Birds and Bees Land, in Evangelion where Shinji sees Misato’s memories of her having sex with Kaji during Instrumentality. Both cases deal with ‘proper’ adults esp in contrast w the main cast members. But are also not explicitly stated but so strongly implied that there was no denying it.

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ruicarlov February 19, 2012 at 7:46 pm

I’d like to add Saikano to that list. Of the NTR variety just to start with.
There’s also Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, which was based on a H-game, but the anime itself could not be considered very explicit (at least Yosuga no Sora levels).

Skribulous February 19, 2012 at 10:39 pm

Tangentially related, but that article you linked has an example making the whole thing hilarious in hindsight (specifically Hiiragi as an example of the “Mai Waifu” concept).

Zyl February 20, 2012 at 3:50 am

@ruicarlov: Thanks for highlighting Saikano since Akemi pretty much comes out straight about it though it’s the end of the line of her (I always remember because jpmeyer LOLed – he also lists Kare Kano, Itazura no Kiss, Bokura ga Ita as other examples – I’ve only seen the first of those three though.)

@Skribulous: You meant Hitagi rather than Kagami? ;)

Fencedude February 20, 2012 at 4:07 am

Yuichii’s callous treatment of Nayuki sickened me. Of course I’m not too pleased with Toei’s treatment of her story arc either. Hopefully KyoAni’s Kanon will address that.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reading things from years and years ago can provide for great entertainment.

Fencedude February 20, 2012 at 4:09 am

Also, holy shit did early-2000s anime really look that shitty? My memory must be failing me.

Alterego 9 February 20, 2012 at 6:14 am

“Plausible deniability in avoid another Kannagi controversy?”

The Kannagi controversy itself was based on just a plausibly deniable implication, that the girl had a boyfriend before, so it can’t be that.

Zyl February 20, 2012 at 6:45 am

@Alterego 9: I’ve checked with lvlln (who has read the light novels and felt the Shaft anime adaptation is very faithful to the source) – given how it was written in the LN, it’s undeniable that, yes, they did have sex that very night.

@Fencedude: Haha that’s why I’m always amused when there are cries of ‘This current season has been the worst ever!’

Alterego 9 February 20, 2012 at 7:28 am

Yeah, it’s written the same way as in the anime. It’s not that it had too many interpretations there either, but still, it always annoys me when Japan is so indirect about this issue. Hollywood is so much more straightforward, with showing at least the starting of the sex scenes themselves, even if from a discrete shot!

darknile March 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm

It was too vague so I don’t know whether Hitagi was teasing him or not. Koyomi is a virgin we recall. At least we could of had bigger hints like the morning after scene, or something… As far as I figured he went home right after Kaiki left and woke up the next morning to check on his sisters. Ah whatever.

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Bear February 19, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Sometimes this show gives me a headache trying to keep up with the banter. One thing is clear to me thought: Whatever Deishu says, it’s a lie and if it’s the truth, he’s also lying. He is so consummate a con man that he probably even cons himself.

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Zyl February 19, 2012 at 7:22 pm

I’m not so sure that he actually cons himself but he does use the Liar’s Paradox to be able to speak in a way that is to his advantage or, even when in a bad situation, at the very least not to his disadvantage.

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Bear February 19, 2012 at 8:59 pm

My feeling is that his self con is related to his motivations. While he states that he is only after money he is most probably lying even to himself.

Zyl February 20, 2012 at 3:53 am

Ah yes, you’re right – Deishu did say that fakery and cheating are creative art that he practices for entertainment and pride thus when it becomes boring, there’s point to doing it anymore – that had slipped my mind. Man, another splendid tsundere.

Nazarielle February 19, 2012 at 6:55 pm

Hah, glad I tagged that tweet appropriately then. Half the time I forget to give any context to what I’m saying.

Like you said, Kaiki didn’t lose. That’s what makes me feel like this isn’t really over. We’ll be hearing back from him at some point. He may have had to leave the city, but he didn’t have to concede a fault with himself or give up on or break his principles.

In the -monogatari series, this seems to be the way people win or lose fights, based on conversation rather than actual fighting prowess. It’s something that I actually think is pretty cool and works with the series and characters. But Kaiki didn’t lose in this way. It was more of a stalemate, where both sides agreed to disagree and moved on.

On another note, I have to say I absolutely loved Miki Shinichiro’s portrayal of Kaiki Deishu. He’s great at making his voice sound so nonchalant and yet so sharp and deadly at the same time. Even though the episode was 70% Kaiki talking to Araragi/Senjougahara, it was still fascinating to watch and listen to thanks to him.

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Zyl February 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm

I’m glad too :) Your tweet was a really useful hook to structure my reaction thoughts.

Kaiki conceded just enough to satisfy Araragi and Senjougahara. I’m sure he’s done his sums and concluded that was the least expensive option to quickly cut losses and cut loose. You could say, if you wanted to use the terms of the 48 Laws of Power, that he used selective generosity to disarm them(#12) and used the surrender tactic to transform weakness into power (#22).

Agreed that Miki Shinichiro has really made Deishu Kaiki his own and making him into a fascinating character to watch and listen to. In some respects, he’s very much the Anti-Oshino. I liked Meme Oshino but his departure has really taken the training wheels off Araragi and crew – things have become more interesting as a result.

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Nazarielle February 20, 2012 at 2:49 am

Haha, well I’m glad I was able to give you some inspiration. You were able to draw out a lot of what I was thinking below the surface just with that comment.

Kabitzin February 20, 2012 at 1:48 am

Like Naz’s tweet, it’s hard to argue against Kabitzin’s quip about this episode being very talky.

I can see why they did it, but it was pretty slow going through some of the discussions. I guess not every conversation can be Mayoi-Koyomi awesome. At least we got an incredibly well animated fight scene to make up for it. I’m a little miffed that Koyomi rope-a-doped Karen, though.

It’s hard to disagree with Nazarielle’s observation was that it was “a bit too easy”

Next episode, will feature Hitagi weeping softly as she realizes that all her school supplies are manufactured by a company Deishu owns and that he agreed to leave town because he found a factory in China with cheaper laborers. Now Deishu makes even more money and everyone else loses their job, noooooo! If only you hadn’t bought so many pencils, Hitagi!

Best line in this episode was Deishu implying that Hitagi was now fat as well as boring.

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Nazarielle February 20, 2012 at 2:53 am

Yeah, I have to admit, the episode didn’t really pull me inside the fourth wall like a lot of the good episodes do. I was aware of how much time was left and sitting there kinda wondering where they were going to go with this much time left and such.

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Zyl February 20, 2012 at 4:01 am

not every conversation can be Mayoi-Koyomi awesome

Guess that’s another reason why Hitagi is jealous of Mayoi

I’m a little miffed that Koyomi rope-a-doped Karen, though

All’s fair in siscon and war.

Deishu implying that Hitagi was now fat as well as boring

Now I get it! Deishu left town because Hitagi gave him a new idea about a new weight loss scam: lose up to 5kg *instantly* or your money back! T&C: Deishu assumes no responsibility if you’re gone with the wind.

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darknile March 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm

After watching the sibling rivalry fight scene I still don’t understand why we hear about all Koyomi’s former vampire powers (the rapid healing is the only thing so far I’ve seen work) and sometimes he uses some skills to avoid block or avoid some hits, but he never really follows through. Is he too afraid of killing or really hurting someone? I mean I know it is his sister and all that but she still got in a lot of hits and he just sat their taking it. The same thing happened with Hanekawa in the 1st season when she was possessed by the cat he didn’t try to defend against her as well as he could.

Scent of a sister? I think that probably made him wanna puke though xD. I’m secretly into that fetish in the H-scene dept but thanks to the wonders of science and nature, being around a close relatives pheremones (since its practically from birth with immediate family) has exactly the opposite effect of attraction to repulsion. So that was torturous for Koyomi, plus a neck break? I really wanna see Koyomi’s supposed skills in action though. He always talks big, and takes a lot of damage but doesn’t deal it D:. I guess he’s totally a, “with great power comes great responsibility” kinda guy that talks softly and carries a big stick *cough no reference to Hitagi’s vaguely implied night of passion? cough*

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